I think thats a little unfair, given that you permitted people to continue
bashing me for 2 days after you requested me to stop.

--Dean

Around 12:30 PM 1/13/2000 -0500, rumor has it that Susan R. Harris said:
>Hello Dean - since you sent the message below after we requested that you
>stop posting on this issue, we have removed your posting priviledges from
>the NANOG email list.
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>On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Dean Anderson wrote:
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>> After all the bashing, I get to gloat a little.
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>> I see the guy in Russia took his model from ORBS, and did exactly the same
>> thing: He apparently used a security exploit to get data, and published
>> that data. So far, it doesn't sound like he made any credit card charges.
>> Sounds like he didn't actually damage the compromised system. According to
>> Derek Balling and a few others, he should be free and clear.
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>> According to those few people, the cracker hasn't done anything wrong.
>> According to those same people, CD Universe accepted the consequences of
>> having an insecure server. Anybody could accessed the data. So it must be
>> publicly available information then. He just published some publicly
>> available data. US law doesn't apply to Russians. The fault here is with
>> CD Universe for operating an insecure server. There is no fault with the
>> guy who published the credit cards. He is not responsible if other people
>> misuse that data.
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>> Wrong. If it wasn't already clear to reasonable people, it certainly is
>> now. Those people who made those stupid assertions are clearly full of crap.
>>
>> Now what happens to the Russian ISP that refuses to shut down the site?
>> Yep. You guessed it.
>>
>> --Dean
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>> Around 05:37 PM 1/10/2000 -0800, rumor has it that Randy Bush said:
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>> >>> And if anything disparaging about the chinese government were to appear on
>> >>> his web site, he could be extradited and put to death!
>> >> Who gets his organs.....
>> >
>> >warning, there may not be a full set
>> >
>> >
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