From dean@av8.com Tue May 11 18:44:28 2004
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:02:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
Cc: Ken Raeburn <raeburn@MIT.EDU>,
     Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>, ietf@ietf.org,
     "<dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu>" <dnsop@lists.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists

The following message indicates that EP.NET has assigned an IP address to 
ISC.ORG.  You are quite well aware of this.  Dissembling will not help 
you.

		--Dean 


Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:26:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
To: bill <bmanning@karoshi.com>
Subject: Re: Complaint regarding www.sorbs.net (204.152.186.189) (fwd)


On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, bill wrote:

>       I have no reason to act as your relay agent.  We have no
>       agreement in place for me to act in this manner.

The traceroute I forwarded shows that your IP addresses 198.32.176.4 is
assigned to ISC.ORG, which typically indicates a relationship.

>  8  paix-gw4.isc.org (198.32.176.4)  92.828 ms  91.036 ms  91.415 ms



On Mon, 10 May 2004 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:

> > but ISC.ORG doesn't want to take a complaint. Bill Manning, of EP.NET
> > (ISC.ORG upstream) says he has no contract with me to accept complaints
> > about ISC.ORG.
> > 
> > 		--Dean
> 
> 	Dean... you are asserting a relationship that you have no 
> 	way to prove exists.  Unless or until you can prove that
> 	ep.net is an upstream for isc.org, please refrain from 
> 	making such statements.  Traceroute is not your friend in
> 	this case.  Defamation works many ways.
> 
> --bill
> 

