From bmanning@karoshi.com Tue May 11 18:47:27 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:29:16 -0800 (PST) From: bill To: Dean Anderson Cc: bill Subject: Re: Complaint regarding www.sorbs.net (204.152.186.189) (fwd) your assertion that ISC.ORG is a customer lacks any foundation in fact. legal council will be advised of your intent to defame/libel ep.net with baseless accusations. > > You've been notified about the abuse by your customer, ISC.ORG. Your > failure to act properly and responsibly on that notice may be used to > demonstrate that you are not a disinterested party in that abuse. > > We may use and publish the fact of your refusal to provide assistance > regarding abuse by your customer and your misleading comments about your > customer. > > I will have to find someone else to forward the complaint to ISC, and they > will be notified by Mail and Fax. > > > Dean Anderson > CEO > Av8 Internet, Inc > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, bill wrote: > > > > > not interested. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Handling the complaint about ISC. > > > > > > --Dean > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, bill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > what is the job? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your consulting rate? > > > > > > > > > > --Dean > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, bill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I mis-spoke. many of ep.nets customers are public exchange > > > > > > operators. we also do consulting work and operate some > > > > > > services that are used by many computers that connect to the > > > > > > Internet. To become an ep.net customer, you need to enter > > > > > > into a business relationship with ep.net. > > > > > > > > > > > > --bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forwarded message: > > > > > > > From bmanning Thu Jan 15 08:26:31 2004 > > > > > > > From: bill > > > > > > > Message-Id: <200401151626.i0FGQTR05108@karoshi.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Complaint regarding www.sorbs.net (204.152.186.189) (fwd) > > > > > > > To: dean@av8.com (Dean Anderson) > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:26:29 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > Cc: bmanning@karoshi.com (bill) > > > > > > > In-Reply-To: from "Dean Anderson" at Jan 15, 2004 11:18:18 AM > > > > > > > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] > > > > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become an operator of a public exchange point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I become a customer of EP.NET? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, bill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, bill wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no reason to act as your relay agent. We have no > > > > > > > > > > > agreement in place for me to act in this manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The traceroute I forwarded shows that your IP addresses 198.32.176.4 is > > > > > > > > > > assigned to ISC.ORG, which typically indicates a relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently your perception of "typical" does not > > > > > > > > > apply here. the assertions you make in the remainder > > > > > > > > > of your mail are based on false presumptions about > > > > > > > > > what may or may not be valid provider/subscriber > > > > > > > > > relationships between ep.net and its customers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had a valid complaint about an ep.net customer > > > > > > > > > or were an ep.net customer, then I could offer more > > > > > > > > > help. As it stands there is nothing to be done here > > > > > > > > > without a change in status. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >