From dean@av8.com Tue May 11 18:43:16 2004
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:17:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
To: bill <bmanning@karoshi.com>
Subject: Re: Complaint regarding www.sorbs.net (204.152.186.189) (fwd)

So ISC.ORG is not a customer of EP.NET, even though 198.32.176.4 belongs
to EP.NET according to whois?  This is indeed an atypical relationship.

It is very interesting and ironic, because SORBS claims to be an authority
on such relationships, yet states that such relationships must be
transparent and obvious, and makes false and defamatory statements about
my customer relationships.  Yet its own relationships are cryptic at best.

Indeed, in my 17 years of experience with the internet, I cannot say I've
ever run across, or even heard of the case where an IP address is assigned
to someone that has no relationship with the owner of the address space.
Or perhaps you aren't being entirely forthcoming, or perhaps you are
willfully misleading me to think that ISC.ORG isn't a customer of EP.net
in some way.  I am not making any assumptions about the general
relationships between EP.NET and its customers. I've asked a specific
question:

        Is the Internet Software Consortium (a.k.a ISC.ORG) a customer of
        EP.NET?

You have yet to give a clear answer.

		--Dean

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, bill wrote:

> >
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, bill wrote:
> >
> > > 	I have no reason to act as your relay agent.  We have no
> > > 	agreement in place for me to act in this manner.
> >
> > The traceroute I forwarded shows that your IP addresses 198.32.176.4 is
> > assigned to ISC.ORG, which typically indicates a relationship.
>
> 	apparently your perception of "typical" does not
> 	apply here. the assertions you make in the remainder
> 	of your mail are based on false presumptions about
> 	what may or may not be valid provider/subscriber
> 	relationships between ep.net and its customers.
>
> 	If you had a valid complaint about an ep.net customer
> 	or were an ep.net customer, then I could offer more
> 	help. As it stands there is nothing to be done here
> 	without a change in status.
>
> --bill
>